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Aug 13, 2021

I spoke with Vernon and Armand about the initiation of their partnership and writing a book together for both a general audience and for lawyers. We discussed why they chose the Supreme Court as the lens to examine racial justice in this country, and why it is important in the current political climate to examine the Court's history on racial justice. We spoke about their research process and surprising or unexpected findings.

Episode Resources

  • Justice Deferred: Race and the Supreme Court by Orville Vernon Burton and Armand Derfner
  • Case of Jones v. Alfred H. Mayer Company

    Episode Highlights
  • The present goes out of the past - 4:40
  • How the guests are writing for a general audience and somebody with a legal background - 8:20
  • The 13 to 15 Amendments were developed to argue equality and end the badges of slavery - 24:30
  • The progressing wing of the government are the people we elect in every 2 to 4 years - 27:47
  • It’s the President and the congress that lead the way to turn the court around for a very reactionary court in a way out of respect to the people of the country - 28:00
  • The court will get better but it will not do it by itself - 28:20
  • We can shape the future - 31:19

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